Conclusion

When AMD announced the new Ryzen 6000 Mobile series, codename Rembrandt, we saw a number of distinct upgrades over the previous generation: moving from TSMC 7nm to TSMC 6nm should provide a small efficiency boost, and then coupled with the move from DDR4 to DDR5 should greatly improve any memory-bound workloads. Instead of Vega graphics we now move to RDNA2 graphics, which should provide a much better gaming experience, coupled with that increased memory bandwidth. On top of that all, we were told about AMD’s 50+ updates to the SoC focused on power management, wake from sleep, and race to sleep. The one thing that we knew didn’t change was the CPU core: despite being called Zen3+, there is no difference in the microarchitecture compared to Zen3 – the reason why it gets a plus is due to the power management techniques, improved memory, and new manufacturing process.

But the fact of the matter is, CPU performance is more than just the microarchitecture and frequency. Beyond that, it’s the memory subsystem, which also contributes directly to IPC or performance per clock. This is why I’ve gone off iso-frequency testing for this sort of comparison, because each product is built with optimization points in mind, and moving simply the core frequency causes a different balance of resources compared to the ‘as built’ and ‘as sold’ metrics. This is why when we put Zen3+ up against Zen3 at a similar power level, we’re seeing a sizable uptick in performance.

In our industry standard SPEC tests, this translates to an +11.9% average increase for Zen3+ across integer and floating point in single threaded mode compared to Zen3. In multi-threaded mode at 35 W, this was a +10.4% for integer, but +32.4% for floating point. We saw a similar size jump in our multi-threaded floating point SPEC tests when Intel’s Alder Lake moved from DDR4 to DDR5, showcasing that there are key industry standard workloads for which DRAM memory bandwidth is still the limiting factor.

So while it’s a great move to see AMD jump into DDR5 with this new platform, the elephant in the room is still the performance against similar power hardware from Intel. Unfortunately we don’t have too many data points, as Brett in Canada tested the performance-focused 12900HK, and I’m the UK where I tested the efficiency-focused 6900HS, but suffice to say that in raw performance at least, comparing P cores to Zen3+ and multi-threaded workloads, Intel still has an advantage. Intel’s advantage increases when we increase the power, as it seemingly has more frequency to give, whereas AMD’s Rembrandt is already near peak all-core frequency at modest 35-45W power levels. This is showcasing one difference between the two manufacturing processes: AMD on TSMC N6, and Intel on Intel 7.

If we take something as simple as CineBench R20 (everyone’s favorite), the Intel CPU in 45 W mode scores 730, while the AMD CPU in 45 W mode scores 613, only matching Intel’s previous generation. That’s partly due to the single threaded power consumption on both platforms – while AMD is using 12.9 W on the cores (23 W package) to reach one thread at 4850 MHz, and doesn’t improve single thread performance in higher power modes, Intel does gets a performance uplift going from 45 W to 65 W, suggesting that the single thread power consumption is up in that region.

The same applies for multi-threading – in a lot of our benchmarks we see that AMD scores minor gains going from 35 W to 45 W to 65 W, indicating that the efficiency point is really around that 35 W metric. But when we scale that up to the multi-threaded tests, Intel can scale power for additional performance a lot more, but also wins as it has a total of 20 threads, compared to AMD’s sixteen. This means at the end of the day Intel can get +40% performance at the same power in benchmarks that can take advantage of its core structure, but only +14% in other tests (like SPEC) despite having +25% more cores.

While we haven’t touched battery life or graphics in this article, instead looking at CPU performance, we can see that realistically AMD is finding a good optimization point around that 35 W mark with this new Rembrandt chip. Pushing for more power gives minor performance uplifts, suggesting it isn’t really that scalable, but when we combine the new updated SoC with the move to DDR5, it’s still a great performer. In fact, both Intel and AMD chips seem to be amazing this generation, and if you’re in the market for a flagship, CPU performance is everywhere. But right now, Intel seems ahead at the high-end.

What’s going to be interesting here is testing the 15 W versions of the latest platforms. AMD still has 8 core processors, with all 8 cores being big cores, whereas Intel has moved down to 2 big cores paired with 8 efficient cores. We might see the tides shift the other direction allowing AMD to be more scalable, pushing 15 W or higher modes with more performance, while Intel relies on the efficient cores to pick up the rest of the workload. Ultimately this is where the battle really matters, as this is at the price points where most notebooks are going to be sold.

 
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  • mode_13h - Tuesday, March 1, 2022 - link

    > 3D Particle Movement v2.1
    > ...
    > To keep things honest, AMD also has a copy of the code, but has not proposed any changes.

    No, to keep things honest, you need to release the benchmark. All of your other benchmarks are publicly-available, but not this one.

    Please open source it, or stop using it. Thanks.
  • isthisavailable - Wednesday, March 2, 2022 - link

    So there are no battery life and iGPU results in a mobile processor review...right.
  • mode_13h - Wednesday, March 2, 2022 - link

    IMO, the article was long enough and had plenty to cover. I think it's not a problem, if those are reviewed separately, however it does make the overall comparison vs. Intel problematic.

    Anyway, we now know Ian was writing it on his way out the door, so that makes it at least understandable.
  • Stuka87 - Wednesday, March 2, 2022 - link

    I am awaiting the day where Ryzens become more widespread in workstation class laptops. Very few machines had them when I had to upgrade this past summer, so had to go Intel. Which has been a bit lack luster.
  • PlanetLockdownFilm - Wednesday, March 2, 2022 - link

    Interesting read, buts seems like it depends on what offer you can find and what else the laptop has to give. RDNA2 is a plus though, if you're going for integrated graphics.
  • WaltC - Wednesday, March 2, 2022 - link

    I thought it was fairly interesting that although I looked for it, I could not find a description of the system used to supply the Intel numbers that were plugged into the charts used--if those specs are included and I missed them, then mea culpa. But if not, well, that's interesting...and I also found it very interesting that Intel was nowhere to be found/mentioned in the Performance Per Watt section...;)
  • mode_13h - Thursday, March 3, 2022 - link

    > I also found it very interesting that Intel was nowhere to be found/mentioned
    > in the Performance Per Watt section...;)

    Exactly. What they did show was that Intel could/would scale up power consumption of its single-core performance higher than Zen 3+. What's not obvious is how much of Intel's performance advantage simply comes down to juicing their P-cores, at the expense of efficiency.
  • Dug - Friday, March 11, 2022 - link

    I want to see how well each system does when not plugged in.
  • m16 - Thursday, March 3, 2022 - link

    Wow, I know what I'll be recommending for non desktop replacements.

    This specific laptop also perhaps helps a bit, that's how I'd expect other manufacturers to build their workhorses for decent cooling.
  • beginner99 - Friday, March 4, 2022 - link

    Now AT isn't doing GPU tests on an APU. I mean really?

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