ATI Radeon HD 2900 XT: Calling a Spade a Spade
by Derek Wilson on May 14, 2007 12:04 PM EST- Posted in
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Texturing, Caches, and Memory
Texturing
R600 features less texture hardware than we would expect to see, though AMD stands by the argument that compute power will come out on top when it matters. At the same time, we can't compute anything if we don't have any data to work with. So let's take a look at what AMD has done with their texture units.
There are four texture units in R600, one for each SIMD unit. These units don't share resources with the hardware in the SIMD units and are independently scheduled by AMD's dispatch processor. The dispatch processor is able to determine what data will be needed for threads about to execute and can handle setting up the texture units without waiting for the SIMD unit to request data and come up empty.
Texture units on the R600 are able to make both filtered and unfiltered texture requests no matter what shader is running. Unfiltered textures are useful with non-image-based texture data like vertex textures, normal maps, and generic blocks of data. Filtered requests will generally be for image data to be used in determining the color of a pixel. R600 can address one unfiltered texture per clock per texture unit and one filtered textures per clock per texture unit. Filtered units can be used to request unfiltered textures if necessary, providing an extra four unfiltered textures in place of one filtered texture.
The unfiltered texture requests will come back through four fp32 texture samplers (one per component), while the filtered requests will return 16 data points which will be run through the texture filtering hardware resulting in four filtered texture samples. The hardware can at best produce 32 single component fp16 unfiltered results per texture unit per clock. More practically, each texture unit can produce four bilinear filtered four component fp16 samples per clock alongside four unfiltered results. For textures with fp32 components, two clocks would be required to complete a bilinear filter process, as only half the data is loaded at a time to conserve bandwidth.
This is definitely a step up for R600, as R5xx hardware doesn't have texture filtering hardware for floating point textures. All told, with each of its four texture units working, R600 can consume up to 32 unfiltered textures or 16 unfiltered textures plus 16 filtered textures (as long as they're fp16 or fewer bits and we're only using bilinear filtering).
G80 is built with four texture address units and eight texture filters per block of 16 SPs. In total, this means NVIDIA's hardware can produce 32 filtered texture samples per clock (again these are fp16 and bilinear filtered). Of course, NVIDIA is operating on twice as many threads per clock, so it is conceivable that they would benefit more from having the extra filtered data.
We will have to wait and see if AMD's approach of providing unfiltered and filtered texture access in parallel pays off. For the general case on pixel shaders, we would want to see more filtered textures per clock, but with vertex and geometry shaders coming into the mix this could be a good way to save hardware space while offering more texturing power. On a final texturing note, AMD implemented "percentage closer" filter hardware for depth stencil textures. This will allow developers to implement fast soft shadows. The details of the implementation weren't indicated though.
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johnsonx - Monday, May 14, 2007 - link
and to which are you going to admit to?What was that old saying about glass houses and throwing stones? Shouldn't throw them in one? Definitely shouldn't them if you ARE one!
Puddleglum - Monday, May 14, 2007 - link
You mean, while it does compete performance-wise?johnsonx - Monday, May 14, 2007 - link
No, I'm pretty sure they mean DOESN'T. That is, the card can't compete with a GTX, yet still uses more power.INTC - Monday, May 14, 2007 - link
Chadder007 - Monday, May 14, 2007 - link
When will we have the 2600's out in review?? Thats the card im waiting for.TA152H - Monday, May 14, 2007 - link
Derek,I like the fact you weren't mincing your words, except for a little on the last page, but I'll give you a perspective of why it might be a little better than some people will think.
There are some of us, and I am one, that will never buy NVIDIA. I bought one, had nothing but trouble with it, and have been buying ATI for 20 years. ATI has been around for so long, there is brand loyalty, and as long as they come out with something that is competent, we'll consider it against their other products without respect to NVIDIA. I'd rather give up the performance to work with something I'm a lot more comfortable with.
The power though is damning, I agree with you 100% on this. Any idea if these beasts are being made by AMD now, or still whoever ATI contracted out? AMD is typically really poor in their first iteration of a product on a process technology, but tend to improve quite a bit in succeeding ones. I wonder how much they'll push this product initially. It might be they just get it out to have it out, and the next one will be what is really a worthwhile product. That only makes sense, of course, if AMD is now manufacturing this product. I hope they are, they surely don't need to make anymore of their processors that aren't selling well.
One last thing I noticed is the 2400 Pro had no fan! It had a heatsink from Hell, but that will still make this a really attractive product for a growing market segment. Any chance of you guys doing a review on the best fanless cards?
DerekWilson - Wednesday, May 16, 2007 - link
TSMC is manufacturing the R600 GPUs, not AMD.AnnonymousCoward - Tuesday, May 15, 2007 - link
"I bought one, had nothing but trouble with it, and have been buying ATI for 20 years."That made me laugh. If one bad experience was all it took to stop you from using a computer component, you'd be left with a PS/2 keyboard at best.
"...to work with something I'm a lot more comfortable with."
Are you more comfortable having 4:3 resolutions stretched on a widescreen? Maybe you're also more comfortable with having crappier performance than nvidia has offered for the last 6 months and counting? This kind of brand loyalty is silly.
MadBoris - Monday, May 14, 2007 - link
As far as your brand loyalty, ATI doesn't exist anymore. Furthermore AMD executives will got the staff so you can't call it the same.Secondly, Nvidia has been a stellar company providing stellar products. Everyone has some ups and downs. Unfortunately with the hardware and drivers this is ATI's (er AMD's) downs.
This card should do ok in comparison to the GTS, especially as drivers mature. Some reviews show it doing better than GTS640 in most tests, so I am not sure where or how discrepencies are coming about. Maybe hardware compatibility, maybe settings.
rADo2 - Monday, May 14, 2007 - link
Many NVIDIA 8600GT/GTS cards do not have a fan, are available on the market now, and are (probably; different league) much more powerful than 2400 ;) But as you are a fanboy, you are not interested, right?