I wonder if/when Xeon D's with integrated graphics will arrive. Intel purportedly had a few on their road map to a few niche scenarios (generally involving video encoding) but I haven't heard anything in a long while about them.
Then again, Sky Lake-D has been flying under the radar for awhile. I'm kind of surprised they went with the AVX-512 enabled core as the vanilla AVX2 design on the consumer side would have been adequate and lower power.
I think part of the TDP increase may be due to full Lewisburg chipset integration.
For the iGPU, it almost sounds like you are referring to the early Purley leaks. It stated "Cannonlake graphics and media transcode".
Cannonlake seems to be having problems, and some sources say its due to the iGPU. There is a Cannonlake part coming without iGPU so the speculations seem valid. It would then, mess up plans to have Cannonlake graphics for server.
"Cannonlake seems to be having problems, and some sources say its due to the iGPU. There is a Cannonlake part coming without iGPU so the speculations seem valid. It would then, mess up plans to have Cannonlake graphics for server."
is there proof of this - Intel is likely working on something make the new processors significant different - keep in mind with both AMD and Qualcomm/Microsoft on them - Intel will not be stupid and release a product that is not significant.
I also suspect Intel with Raju on board is going to have a significant GPU change in future. My hope 8 core in laptop with 24 hour battery life but that might be years away.
It has nothing to do with them being stupid. People screw up, despite best intentions, and for Intel that's Cannonlake.
I'm not sure what your connection to GPU and battery life is. If you think you'll see 24 hour gaming life on laptops, forget it! It'll never happen. Gaming is one of the most intensive load for systems.
24 hours on bursty browser or video playback workload with a Smartphone class ARM CPU will have a hard time, as evidenced by the latest Windows on ARM efforts.
I don't believe Windows on Qualcomm ( it not all ARM ) will have 20 hour batter life - that really does not matter much - who actually will used the laptop for 20 hours - one does have to sleep.
It not about battery life - it about iGPU holding up 10nm - I don't believe that is realistic statement - I think it more that they are working to make sure 10nm lives up to performance especially that AMD play around the we got more cores things. A true 8 core laptop would be cool - especially if fan less.
I am sure that Intel realizes that there Integrated GPU need improvement - but most people don't need the power of Intel iGPU currently - word processing, internet and spreadsheets don't really need that much power. In a lot of ways Gaming and Workstation graphics ( I have done both ) are niche markets now in what people really need. In fact most of games when I was really heavy into gaming years ago, will run find on iGPU of today.
BTW the Supermicro motherboard mention here use an ASPEED AST2500 which is helper that provides basic 2D VGA support. So GPU is not that important unless server manufactures like Supermicro wish to replace that chip one day
Since Cannon Lake is at least 18 months late, there certainly is a problem here. However, that could simply be with the 10 nm process which Intel has to used for anything of significant volume.
Cannon Lake for consumer was supposed to get an updated GPU to support a few new things like DP 1.3/1.4 and variable refresh rate. Considering the delays 10 no has had, I would have back ported the display IO block to 14 nm to at least advance things forward since Sky Lake.
On their post about Xeon D's, Facebook complained about "memory capacity and bandwidth issues" that would be a problem if future D's were as limited as the first gen. The mention of 512GB RAM on those 8C motherboards suggests that may have been somewhere Intel improved things.
Still, for just the right apps, can see the appeal of the older 4C and 8C 45W models over new, better but pricier/higher-wattage ones. Wonder if we will see Skylake versions of the cheapie models or if this is the bottom of the line already.
Below this, they have the Atom C-series. It wouldn't make much sense to have a Xeon D with fewer cores, as there'd be too much overlap with their Xeon E3-150xL processors, which have only 25 W TDP.
It's instructive to go back and read about the original D.
From what I've read, it was basically spec'd for them by Facebook, who wanted better power-efficiency, but also needed decent single-thread performance to keep transaction latency down (hence Atom & the Arm cores of the day were ruled out). A lot of features got dropped, such as multi-CPU, and certain peripherals (e.g. Ethernet, SATA) were integrated.
BTW, original Xeon-D had only dual-channel memory. It'll be interesting to see if they stick with that, but I'd bet that feeding up to 18 cores (in spite of their relatively low clocks) is going to require quad-channel. This should also help increase memory capacity.
Yes that will be interesting. I just want super high single thread performance and super high memory capacity for caches, so even 8 Core will do me fine, but more then 128GB Max memory will be welcomed
That will probably be Icelake. I highly doubt Cannonlake will make that adjustment, but that all depends when Intel was made aware of that issue while in the design process of CNL.
Built a NAS server out of the D-1540 variant, its low power, quiet, and very capable, with 10Gb built in. The new TDP's look a bit high, not sure how they are going to have sufficient cooling on ITX form factor.
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Kevin G - Thursday, February 1, 2018 - link
I wonder if/when Xeon D's with integrated graphics will arrive. Intel purportedly had a few on their road map to a few niche scenarios (generally involving video encoding) but I haven't heard anything in a long while about them.Then again, Sky Lake-D has been flying under the radar for awhile. I'm kind of surprised they went with the AVX-512 enabled core as the vanilla AVX2 design on the consumer side would have been adequate and lower power.
IntelUser2000 - Thursday, February 1, 2018 - link
I think part of the TDP increase may be due to full Lewisburg chipset integration.For the iGPU, it almost sounds like you are referring to the early Purley leaks. It stated "Cannonlake graphics and media transcode".
Cannonlake seems to be having problems, and some sources say its due to the iGPU. There is a Cannonlake part coming without iGPU so the speculations seem valid. It would then, mess up plans to have Cannonlake graphics for server.
HStewart - Thursday, February 1, 2018 - link
"Cannonlake seems to be having problems, and some sources say its due to the iGPU. There is a Cannonlake part coming without iGPU so the speculations seem valid. It would then, mess up plans to have Cannonlake graphics for server."is there proof of this - Intel is likely working on something make the new processors significant different - keep in mind with both AMD and Qualcomm/Microsoft on them - Intel will not be stupid and release a product that is not significant.
I also suspect Intel with Raju on board is going to have a significant GPU change in future.
My hope 8 core in laptop with 24 hour battery life but that might be years away.
IntelUser2000 - Thursday, February 1, 2018 - link
It has nothing to do with them being stupid. People screw up, despite best intentions, and for Intel that's Cannonlake.I'm not sure what your connection to GPU and battery life is. If you think you'll see 24 hour gaming life on laptops, forget it! It'll never happen. Gaming is one of the most intensive load for systems.
24 hours on bursty browser or video playback workload with a Smartphone class ARM CPU will have a hard time, as evidenced by the latest Windows on ARM efforts.
HStewart - Thursday, February 1, 2018 - link
I don't believe Windows on Qualcomm ( it not all ARM ) will have 20 hour batter life - that really does not matter much - who actually will used the laptop for 20 hours - one does have to sleep.It not about battery life - it about iGPU holding up 10nm - I don't believe that is realistic statement - I think it more that they are working to make sure 10nm lives up to performance especially that AMD play around the we got more cores things. A true 8 core laptop would be cool - especially if fan less.
I am sure that Intel realizes that there Integrated GPU need improvement - but most people don't need the power of Intel iGPU currently - word processing, internet and spreadsheets don't really need that much power. In a lot of ways Gaming and Workstation graphics ( I have done both ) are niche markets now in what people really need. In fact most of games when I was really heavy into gaming years ago, will run find on iGPU of today.
HStewart - Thursday, February 1, 2018 - link
BTW the Supermicro motherboard mention here use an ASPEED AST2500 which is helper that provides basic 2D VGA support. So GPU is not that important unless server manufactures like Supermicro wish to replace that chip one dayhttps://www.aspeedtech.com/products.php?fPath=20&a...
ZolaIII - Thursday, February 1, 2018 - link
Me by not so distant future but certainly without Intel or for that matter X86.Kevin G - Friday, February 2, 2018 - link
Since Cannon Lake is at least 18 months late, there certainly is a problem here. However, that could simply be with the 10 nm process which Intel has to used for anything of significant volume.Cannon Lake for consumer was supposed to get an updated GPU to support a few new things like DP 1.3/1.4 and variable refresh rate. Considering the delays 10 no has had, I would have back ported the display IO block to 14 nm to at least advance things forward since Sky Lake.
Hurr Durr - Thursday, February 1, 2018 - link
So D is no longer Atom inside?cblakely - Thursday, February 1, 2018 - link
Existing Xeon-D are broadwell cores - full x86_64, Atomcblakely - Thursday, February 1, 2018 - link
sigh, ^ NOT AtomSarahKerrigan - Thursday, February 1, 2018 - link
It never was. Xeon-D launched with Broadwell.twotwotwo - Thursday, February 1, 2018 - link
On their post about Xeon D's, Facebook complained about "memory capacity and bandwidth issues" that would be a problem if future D's were as limited as the first gen. The mention of 512GB RAM on those 8C motherboards suggests that may have been somewhere Intel improved things.Still, for just the right apps, can see the appeal of the older 4C and 8C 45W models over new, better but pricier/higher-wattage ones. Wonder if we will see Skylake versions of the cheapie models or if this is the bottom of the line already.
mode_13h - Friday, February 2, 2018 - link
Below this, they have the Atom C-series. It wouldn't make much sense to have a Xeon D with fewer cores, as there'd be too much overlap with their Xeon E3-150xL processors, which have only 25 W TDP.B3an - Thursday, February 1, 2018 - link
I'm not paying that much for the D...( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
HStewart - Thursday, February 1, 2018 - link
I found the following site that is another board - with same processorhttps://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Intel-Xeon...
lefty2 - Thursday, February 1, 2018 - link
Anyone like to explain how these are different than the regular Skylake SP Xeons?mode_13h - Thursday, February 1, 2018 - link
It's instructive to go back and read about the original D.From what I've read, it was basically spec'd for them by Facebook, who wanted better power-efficiency, but also needed decent single-thread performance to keep transaction latency down (hence Atom & the Arm cores of the day were ruled out). A lot of features got dropped, such as multi-CPU, and certain peripherals (e.g. Ethernet, SATA) were integrated.
mode_13h - Thursday, February 1, 2018 - link
BTW, original Xeon-D had only dual-channel memory. It'll be interesting to see if they stick with that, but I'd bet that feeding up to 18 cores (in spite of their relatively low clocks) is going to require quad-channel. This should also help increase memory capacity.iwod - Friday, February 2, 2018 - link
Yes that will be interesting. I just want super high single thread performance and super high memory capacity for caches, so even 8 Core will do me fine, but more then 128GB Max memory will be welcomedmode_13h - Friday, February 2, 2018 - link
If you're looking for this from Intel, then check out the Xeon W-2145. Be warned: cooling these is an issue.Otherwise, look to AMD.
vailr - Thursday, February 1, 2018 - link
Was looking for a possible "Spectre/Meltdown free" updated silicon CPU: none so far?CoreLogicCom - Thursday, February 1, 2018 - link
That will probably be Icelake. I highly doubt Cannonlake will make that adjustment, but that all depends when Intel was made aware of that issue while in the design process of CNL.Dr_b_ - Thursday, February 1, 2018 - link
Built a NAS server out of the D-1540 variant, its low power, quiet, and very capable, with 10Gb built in. The new TDP's look a bit high, not sure how they are going to have sufficient cooling on ITX form factor.mode_13h - Friday, February 2, 2018 - link
Atom C-series?oRAirwolf - Friday, February 2, 2018 - link
Those are some expensive processors for the performance you get...mode_13h - Friday, February 2, 2018 - link
Well, they're server CPUs (SoC's, actually) and they're about perf/W, rather than absolute performance.