3 years on and they're (not just Asus) still bangin on with the 9750Hs and 9900Ks. I wanted to skip the hassle of building my own system, but apparently I can't avoid it if I want an AMD system. Yes there is some hyperbole in there.
The 9750H was launched in Q2 2019. (Not even a model of CPU listed as available for this system, by the way so I don't know if there is any direct relevance in this case.)
I don't see how any company could have been selling either of these processor models in Feb of 2017 given their published release dates. What am I misunderstanding? Is this more of a comment about AMD becoming more competitive with Zen cores rather than Intel's 9xxx series release?
Correction, the 9900k is better in gaming ONLY at the specific instance of low resolution (1080p or lower), with a high refresh monitor (120hz or faster), and with a 2080 ti, that is the one scenario that the 9900k is better than the 3800x at gaming, and even then, it's only by approximately 5% which equates to the difference between 132 GPS vs 138 GPS, which I guarantee 99 out of 100 human beings couldn't even distinguish the difference between. And for that singular use case (when 95% of all video cards owned are mid range and lower, so 2060/5700 or slower, not 2080 ti's), you get to pay 25%+ more for a 9900k than a 3800x for 5% advantage in a single, rare use case.. That's the problem.
In literally every other area of computer use, including gaming at higher resolution or with a videocard the vast majority of people actually own, the Ryzen chip performs better and is cheaper.
the 9900k is a better gaming chip period. Is it good value? no but then again that was not the question. Be it at 1080p 1440p 4k low refresh high refresh the 9900k/s overclocks well and can surpass any AMD chips in most gaming scenarios. Again not speaking about % or price or outdated intel plaform or other factors... you can get all those specs from AT and similar other tech sites, but thats why Asus is using it in this specific build.
A chip that costs more for imperceptibly better performance in limited scenarios is not a "better gaming chip". Value is always a part of the equation.
If by "overclocks well" you mean "can reach boost clock on all cores if you ignore TDP" then yes, that it can do. Given this is a pre-built PC, though, I'm not sure overclocking has much to do with anything. I certainly wouldn't want 150-200W going to my CPU in a chassis like that for a few FPS gain.
hxx i bet you wouldnt be saying this if the ryzen chips clocked as high as intels did... the ONLY reason intel has any, although slight advantage.. is because it clocks higher. thats it...
Is it the external power supply(s) that prevent Asus from offering this system with an RTX 2080 Ti or is it card-length constraints? (With that upgrade, this could be my MS Flight Simulator 2020 computer, but I'd worry that an RTX 2080 wouldn't be sufficient to run it in 4K.)
Has MS released any specifics regarding hardware requirements for their new Flight Simulator ? I was/am under the impression that the likely best system for it might just be the new XBox coming later this year.
I know they didn't look artsy, but I miss the all-metal cases with a plain, even top. Always nice to have a place for my external USB3 or eSATA drives, and the shorter cables make for faster transfer rates. With this thing, I'd be worried of getting hurt if I step on it by accident.
I want to know the models of the MB and graphics card. Mostly the card since MB is never hindered by case dimensions. I am rebuilding my SFF performance machine and I would consider this had not for the ugliness of the case.
Hi, I would like to share my nightmare and never-ending problems with ASUS ROG Huracan G21.
I had purchased G21CX with Intel Core i9-9900K, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 8 GB and 512GB PCIe M.2 in February 2020. Once it arrived we unboxed it, turned it on and registered it online. Afterwards, we kept it back in the box as the designated user had not joined.
When I tried to turn it back on once the person had joined and PC has to be issued. Surprisingly it didn't turn on. After a long call with ASUS call centre, they decided to send a technician to inspect it.
The way the technician was fiddling with it, he had never seen that model. Anyways, he took it back to the service centre and I was informed that motherboard had conked off and would have to be replaced. I mean come on, this is a $3,000+ computer and had stopped working literally out of the box.
They took a couple of days to replace the motherboard and delivered it back to me. It worked fine till today.
Today it started acting up and wouldn't work in dual monitor setup. I tried all possible troubleshooting and it sent the signal to just one monitor. Half an hour later I shut it down and went for dinner. After dinner when I tried to turn it on, it just stopped sending the signal to monitor altogether. Now I am sitting in front of a very expensive paperweight with RGB lighting.
I think this is just a rip-off where ASUS tries to peddle its sub-standard components as pre-built computers and just let the customer suffer.
I have built 40+ gaming computers using ASUS parts for my office. Apart from that, we have 7 ASUS ROG GL12 computers that are working perfectly fine. It is only this most-expensive mistake that doesn't seem to work. I am actually fed up with this computer and will demand a refund or a brand new replacement for this computer.
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Aephe - Thursday, February 13, 2020 - link
3 years on and they're (not just Asus) still bangin on with the 9750Hs and 9900Ks. I wanted to skip the hassle of building my own system, but apparently I can't avoid it if I want an AMD system. Yes there is some hyperbole in there.PeachNCream - Thursday, February 13, 2020 - link
Per Intel , the 9900K was launched in Q4 2018.https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/produc...
The 9750H was launched in Q2 2019. (Not even a model of CPU listed as available for this system, by the way so I don't know if there is any direct relevance in this case.)
https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/produc...
I don't see how any company could have been selling either of these processor models in Feb of 2017 given their published release dates. What am I misunderstanding? Is this more of a comment about AMD becoming more competitive with Zen cores rather than Intel's 9xxx series release?
damianrobertjones - Thursday, February 13, 2020 - link
The OP wants an AMD system.timecop1818 - Thursday, February 13, 2020 - link
I think what you really meant is "The OP is an idiot."Spunjji - Friday, February 14, 2020 - link
Projection is your jam, huh?yeeeeman - Thursday, February 13, 2020 - link
What is the problem with them? 9900k is better in gaming that 3900x so I don't see what is the issue.AnarchoPrimitiv - Thursday, February 13, 2020 - link
Correction, the 9900k is better in gaming ONLY at the specific instance of low resolution (1080p or lower), with a high refresh monitor (120hz or faster), and with a 2080 ti, that is the one scenario that the 9900k is better than the 3800x at gaming, and even then, it's only by approximately 5% which equates to the difference between 132 GPS vs 138 GPS, which I guarantee 99 out of 100 human beings couldn't even distinguish the difference between. And for that singular use case (when 95% of all video cards owned are mid range and lower, so 2060/5700 or slower, not 2080 ti's), you get to pay 25%+ more for a 9900k than a 3800x for 5% advantage in a single, rare use case.. That's the problem.In literally every other area of computer use, including gaming at higher resolution or with a videocard the vast majority of people actually own, the Ryzen chip performs better and is cheaper.
Hxx - Thursday, February 13, 2020 - link
the 9900k is a better gaming chip period. Is it good value? no but then again that was not the question. Be it at 1080p 1440p 4k low refresh high refresh the 9900k/s overclocks well and can surpass any AMD chips in most gaming scenarios. Again not speaking about % or price or outdated intel plaform or other factors... you can get all those specs from AT and similar other tech sites, but thats why Asus is using it in this specific build.Spunjji - Friday, February 14, 2020 - link
A chip that costs more for imperceptibly better performance in limited scenarios is not a "better gaming chip". Value is always a part of the equation.If by "overclocks well" you mean "can reach boost clock on all cores if you ignore TDP" then yes, that it can do. Given this is a pre-built PC, though, I'm not sure overclocking has much to do with anything. I certainly wouldn't want 150-200W going to my CPU in a chassis like that for a few FPS gain.
Korguz - Friday, February 14, 2020 - link
hxx i bet you wouldnt be saying this if the ryzen chips clocked as high as intels did... the ONLY reason intel has any, although slight advantage.. is because it clocks higher. thats it...damianrobertjones - Friday, February 14, 2020 - link
Is GPS where a game needs to use Windows Maps to find a location, which aids in the game mechanics?Spunjji - Friday, February 14, 2020 - link
As far as I'm aware there are plenty of AMD pre-built systems that also offer the benefit of not looking like this... thing.milleron - Thursday, February 13, 2020 - link
Is it the external power supply(s) that prevent Asus from offering this system with an RTX 2080 Ti or is it card-length constraints? (With that upgrade, this could be my MS Flight Simulator 2020 computer, but I'd worry that an RTX 2080 wouldn't be sufficient to run it in 4K.)eastcoast_pete - Thursday, February 13, 2020 - link
Has MS released any specifics regarding hardware requirements for their new Flight Simulator ? I was/am under the impression that the likely best system for it might just be the new XBox coming later this year.eastcoast_pete - Thursday, February 13, 2020 - link
I know they didn't look artsy, but I miss the all-metal cases with a plain, even top. Always nice to have a place for my external USB3 or eSATA drives, and the shorter cables make for faster transfer rates. With this thing, I'd be worried of getting hurt if I step on it by accident.wr3zzz - Thursday, February 13, 2020 - link
I want to know the models of the MB and graphics card. Mostly the card since MB is never hindered by case dimensions. I am rebuilding my SFF performance machine and I would consider this had not for the ugliness of the case.Dug - Thursday, February 13, 2020 - link
Wow, the ugly stick didn't get past this one.Spunjji - Friday, February 14, 2020 - link
Indeed. It got a damned good thrashing by the looks of things.bigvlada - Friday, February 14, 2020 - link
PCIe 3.0, 32GB RAM max, proprietary MB and PSU, bad cooling, on a platform in its twilight years. Pass.yetanotherhuman - Monday, February 17, 2020 - link
It's pretty large for a "baby" system. Also, it looks like someone took random scraps from the case factory floor and welded them together. Hideous.vkansagra - Thursday, September 17, 2020 - link
Hi, I would like to share my nightmare and never-ending problems with ASUS ROG Huracan G21.I had purchased G21CX with Intel Core i9-9900K, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 8 GB and 512GB PCIe M.2 in February 2020. Once it arrived we unboxed it, turned it on and registered it online. Afterwards, we kept it back in the box as the designated user had not joined.
When I tried to turn it back on once the person had joined and PC has to be issued. Surprisingly it didn't turn on. After a long call with ASUS call centre, they decided to send a technician to inspect it.
The way the technician was fiddling with it, he had never seen that model. Anyways, he took it back to the service centre and I was informed that motherboard had conked off and would have to be replaced. I mean come on, this is a $3,000+ computer and had stopped working literally out of the box.
They took a couple of days to replace the motherboard and delivered it back to me. It worked fine till today.
Today it started acting up and wouldn't work in dual monitor setup. I tried all possible troubleshooting and it sent the signal to just one monitor. Half an hour later I shut it down and went for dinner. After dinner when I tried to turn it on, it just stopped sending the signal to monitor altogether. Now I am sitting in front of a very expensive paperweight with RGB lighting.
I think this is just a rip-off where ASUS tries to peddle its sub-standard components as pre-built computers and just let the customer suffer.
I have built 40+ gaming computers using ASUS parts for my office. Apart from that, we have 7 ASUS ROG GL12 computers that are working perfectly fine. It is only this most-expensive mistake that doesn't seem to work. I am actually fed up with this computer and will demand a refund or a brand new replacement for this computer.