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  • bug77 - Friday, September 4, 2015 - link

    Weak. There's nothing a SATA SSD can offer today, but better prices. And these do not deliver.
  • Kevin G - Friday, September 4, 2015 - link

    Capacity is one area where they can still improve. Many also don't have newer motherboards with M.2 or SATA Express connectors thus legacy SATA is still important.

    Sure PCIe based SSD's are the future but until the interfaces are common place, then SATA will still be supported.
  • bug77 - Friday, September 4, 2015 - link

    I didn't mean to imply SATA is useless. Just that it's already saturated. Random reads could be improved, but that won't be happening with NAND.
    Also, there are 2TB SSDs today. But without better prices, you're not going to touch them.
  • marraco - Friday, September 4, 2015 - link

    They could offer emulated RAID0, to use many SATA cables plugged to the same drive, and increase the transfer rate.
  • Wardrop - Sunday, September 6, 2015 - link

    What would a manufacturer gain from doing that when any consumer could just raid two drives together?
  • Samus - Friday, September 4, 2015 - link

    I like Toshiba drives, and what they've done with OCZ as far as backing them up, but the performance has historically been uncompetitive. Then there is the price.

    Why do Toshiba drives cost SO much? It's ridiculous. Even 4 year old Macbook 128GB SSD's (Toshiba) sell for $100+ used!
  • putnegg - Wednesday, September 16, 2015 - link

    bought a 120gb Intel ssd on boxing day 2011 for the same price :/
  • Impulses - Friday, September 4, 2015 - link

    960GB TLC drive for $450 when the street price of the well established 1TB EVO is $350 (+/- $50)? Good luck with that. The 480GB is even worse off at $310...
  • DanNeely - Friday, September 4, 2015 - link

    hopefully these are MSRPs intended solely to let resellers claim 30-50% off all the time.
  • Kevin G - Friday, September 4, 2015 - link

    MSRP and actual street prices can differ greatly.
  • Flunk - Friday, September 4, 2015 - link

    They'll have to in this case if they want to move any inventory at all.
  • Impulses - Friday, September 4, 2015 - link

    In the case of the 480GB TLC drive, street price would need to be 50% off MSRP for it JUST to be competitive with what's out there (read: the $160 EVOs)...

    And that's probably one of the most common capacities for upgraders and enthusiasts right now, if not the very sweet spot. The MSRP range from bad to bonkers.
  • mforce - Friday, September 4, 2015 - link

    TLC at the price of MLC ( or even more expensive ) yeah sure .... but meh , since some consumers aren't very well informed this might fly ... though I do suspect people buying SSDs kind of know what they're doing.
  • bill.rookard - Friday, September 4, 2015 - link

    Nothing in the 2TB range, let alone anything in the 1TB range that's moderately affordable? Nope. Pass.
  • yeeeeman - Friday, September 4, 2015 - link

    Have a Samsung 840 Pro 256GB. Even with a T9600 config, you cannot wish for more. Blazing fast, reliable and big enough for anything that can't be downloaded from the Internet (which is becoming more and more a thing of the past). And with a 300Mbps internet speed (avg is 35MB/s), well it's perfect. So I think the state of things at the current moment in time are good, good enough I would say.
  • ilkhan - Friday, September 4, 2015 - link

    Not a chance.
    Those prices suck, and performance levels for SATA based drives is already saturated.
  • romrunning - Friday, September 4, 2015 - link

    I don't understand why the MLC version has lower random write than the TLC. You would think that if they want to name it the "Pro" version, it should have better stats than the "normal" version in every category except for price (higher, obviously).

    Just for that reason alone (and that the Samsung 850 Pro is so good in everything), I'm not going to buy the Q300 Pro.
  • DanNeely - Friday, September 4, 2015 - link

    Different controllers, so different optimizations. We'll need to wait for the review; but trading off a lower burst rate for the peak score, for either better consistency or better performance in sustained use would be an obvious one.
  • lilmoe - Friday, September 4, 2015 - link

    Samsung SSD 850 Evo on sale for @2.7 a gig, just saying...
  • dgingeri - Friday, September 4, 2015 - link

    Let's see, compared to the Samsung 850 Pro: slower performance, less durability, higher price, and from a company that has a worse reputation for reliability. Yeah, this won't sell.
  • lilmoe - Friday, September 4, 2015 - link

    lol didn't even realize it was more expensive than the 850 Pro, I subconsciously looked up the price of the EVO thinking it was targeting that.

    These prices are a sad joke. Or Samsung is just killing the competition. Performance difference isn't significant anymore for most consumers, it's all about endurance and price. I myself have the 850 Pro (because I run databases on my PC and need the consistency and extra endurance), but I recommend the 850 EVO for everyone else now. It's also much more available and has better warranty.
  • eek2121 - Saturday, September 5, 2015 - link

    *yawn* another day, another SSD. Samsung is the king of SATA SSDs. These companies need to differentiate themselves. Either go PCIE like intel, or come up with better pricing.
  • StrangerGuy - Sunday, September 6, 2015 - link

    $450 for a 1TB SATA TLC drive? I can see Toshiba is trying to be the greatest comedian ever.

    Won't even touch this at *half* the asking price.

    And it's kinda funny and sad at the same time that everytime a non Intel/Crucial/Samsung SSD release announcment appears on a AT it automatically becomes an no holds barred bashing spree, for good reason.
  • yankeeDDL - Monday, September 7, 2015 - link

    Is it me, or these things are priced out of this world?
    Isn't the 850 EVO below $180? for the 512GB? Why would anyone spend $310 on this?
  • Impulses - Tuesday, September 8, 2015 - link

    It's at $160 pretty often actually. I paid $310/340 for my 2x 1TB EVOs. They've been going for $340 on Amazon all summer long, cheaper elsewhere during sales, haven't seen sub $300 yet. But yeah, asking just as much for half the capacity seems insane.
  • YoloPascual - Monday, September 7, 2015 - link

    Those people at the SSD division of Toshiba/OCZ are either dumb or does not look into the marketplace.
  • c woof - Thursday, September 10, 2015 - link

    Samsung SSD 850 EVO MSRPs 12/2014
    Capacity 120GB 250GB 500GB 1TB
    MSRP $100 $150 $270 $500
  • c woof - Thursday, September 10, 2015 - link

    And the endurance for the 500GB/1TB was 150TB (82GB/day), 75TB for the others.
  • 3ogdy - Saturday, September 12, 2015 - link

    Sorry, but I fail to see what's interesting here. The pricing scheme has nothing interesting.
    In an over-saturated market, they pop up with SSDs that follow the exact same path nearly everyone else does:
    $100 for 120GB,
    $150 for 240GB,
    $300 for the 500GB version and so on.
    Samsung's got the 120GB 850 EVO (TLC-based) for $73 (Toshiba:$100),
    250GB 850 EVO for $98 (Toshiba's 240GB for $160)
    500GB EVO for $175 (Toshiba: $310 for 480GB),
    1TB 850 EVO for $399 (Toshiba : $450 for 960GB)
    Toshiba's products are completely misplaced in the market.

    As for the MLC drives, Samsung's got 850PROs :
    128GB for $95 (Toshiba: $125),
    256GB for $140 (Toshiba: $200),
    512GB for $240 (Toshiba: $390)
    How many SSDs Toshiba expects to sell remains a secret...but mind you Samsung transitioned to 48-layer 256Gbit dies so pricing on their most price competitive products is about to improve.
    Bad news, Toshiba. I don't know what OCZ's up to, but I'm definitely not buying that, even with Toshiba's NAND inside. Too many got played.
  • 3ogdy - Saturday, September 12, 2015 - link

    BTW, prices are taken from www.newegg.com. I've just checked the page out, which means I could buy those SSDs right now for that price.

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