In response to recent reports of AMD's Ryzen 7000X3D processors being damaged, MSI has announced a wave of firmware updates to address potential issues. The highlight of MSI's new wave of BIOS versions for its AM5 motherboards is that the company is further locking down the voltage controls for X3D chips, removing support for positive offset voltages. Going forward, it will only be possible to use negative offset voltages on X3D chips, ensuring that the sensitive V-Cache-equipped X3D chips can't be overvolted and put at risk of damage.

Over the last couple of days, there has been concern across various social media platforms, such as Reddit, about reports of AMD's Ryzen 7000X3D processors spontaneously 'burning out.' Multiple users have posted issues where their Ryzen 7000X3D processors with 3D V-Cache have been dying – and curiously, all when using ASUS motherboards.

Perhaps one of the most recognizable images over the last few days has been via a Reddit post by Speedrookie. In the image above, the user uploaded a photo that shows his AMD Ryzen 7800X3D and ASUS ROG Strix X670E-E Gaming motherboard with very noticeable scorch marks within the CPU socket itself, as well as a very large bulging on the CPU contact pads.

Image credit: Speedrookie/Reddit

There is little concrete information about where the issue lies – whether it's even a systemic issue, or just a statistical fluke – but it would seem that MSI considers it an important enough matter to take immediate action via new firmware versions for its AM5 motherboards, including those with X670E, X670E, B650, and A620 chipsets.

Announced via a post on Reddit, the company is releasing new BIOSes for all of its AM5 platform motherboards. The new firmware from MSI specifically targets overvolting Ryzen 7000X3D CPUs or restricting the ability to do this. The new firmware from MSI essentially locks down any options or settings related to voltage adjustment. This includes blocking positive voltage offsets, as well as direct voltage adjustment. Consequently, with the new BIOSes it's only possible to use offering negative offset voltage settings on X3D chips

These updates don't just impact the firmware itself, but MSI has also restricted overvolting through its MSI Center application. So, much like their firmware, MSI Center won't allow users to add any additional CPU VCore to the processor when used on any the Ryzen 7000X3D processors such as the Ryzen 9 7950X3D and the Ryzen 7 7800X3D which we've both reviewed recently.

MSI AM5 Motherboard New BIOS Versions (as of 04/24)
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MEG X670E Godlike E7D68AMS.151 $1284
MEG X670 Ace E7D69AMS.181 $700
MPG X670E Carbon WIFI E7D70AMS.171 $361
MAG X670E Tomahawk WIFI E7E12AMS.131 $310
Pro X670-P WIFI Coming Soon $264
MPG B650 Carbon WIFI E7D74AMS.151 $300
MPG B650 Edge WIFI E7E10AMS.161 $260
MPG B650I Edge WIFI E7D73AMS.131 $311
MAG B650 Tomahawk WIFI E7D75AMS.161 $219
MAG B650M Mortar WIFI Coming Soon  
Pro B650-P WIFI E7D78AMS.151 $200
Pro B650M-A WIFI E7D77AMS.181 $180
Pro B650M-A E7D77AMS.181 -
Pro A620M-E E7E28AMS.121 $108

Aside from the MSI Pro X670-P WIFI and MAG B650M Mortar WIFI motherboards, the rest of MSI's line-up has new firmware available for users to install and flash over the current BIOS version. MSI states that the remaining two boards will soon have a new firmware version. It should also be noted that on the official product pages for each motherboard and its corresponding BIOS version, these new BIOSes are listed as 'Beta'.

Meanwhile, for users still looking to squeeze a bit more out of their X3D processors, MSI is directing users to utilize the Enhanced Mode Boost option within the firmware, which essentially optimizes the Precision Boost Overdrive (PBO) settings without making manual voltage adjustments.

As the situation develops, we expect to hear more from other vendors and users expressing issues. In the meantime, if you use an MSI AM5 motherboard with a Ryzen 7000X3D processor, these new BIOSes likely warrant a good look and a quick installation.

Update 04/28: MSI has released a new statement in relation to its latest AGESA firmware designed to mitigate any potential issues with AMD's Ryzen 7000X3D and Ryzen 7000 series processors. The statement is as follows:

"MSI has been in close contact with the AMD and has referred to their official technical guidance to provide users with a safer and more optimized hardware environment. To achieve this goal, MSI will release a new list of BIOS updates specifically for the AMD RyzenTM 7000 series CPU.

According to AMD's design specifications, the RyzenTM 7000X3D series CPU does not fully support overclocking or overvoltage adjustments, including CPU ratio and CPU Vcore voltage. However, AMD EXPO technology can be used to optimize memory performance by appropriately increasing the CPU SoC voltage to ensure system stability when operating at higher memory frequencies.

In the confirmation report from AMD team, it is recommended that the maximum limit of the CPU SoC voltage should be set at a safe range for RyzenTM 7000X3D series CPU to mitigate potential CPU damage caused by inappropriate overclocking or overvoltage.  With the same safety concern, we’ll also adjust the CPU SoC voltage for the regular RyzenTM 7000 series CPU.

For the new BIOS release, MSI will prioritize this limitation on the CPU SoC voltage. We strongly recommend that users using RyzenTM 7000 series CPU update their BIOS and use sufficient CPU cooling, such as 280mm or higher AIO cooling, to achieve optimal performance.

At the same time with this update, MSI is also announcing the support of up to 192GB DDR5 memory capacity across all AMD’s AM5 Series motherboards.  The update is to ensure that the all-new 24GB and 48GB-based DDR5 memory module kits can fit a maximum of 192GB on all 4 DIMMs or 96GB on 2 DIMMs slots flawlessly across AM5 Series motherboards.  The new DDR5 memory modules offer a combination of raw speed and maximum capacity for professionals, creators, and others who rely heavily on multitasking daily and could benefit significantly from better efficiency improvements without affecting overall system latency.  MSI has committed to providing the best performance and compatibility to all DIY enthusiasts."

Source: MSI (via Reddit)

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  • Threska - Monday, April 24, 2023 - link

    Well there's a reason it's the leading-edge. Sometime people get cut. Expensive cuts.
  • meacupla - Monday, April 24, 2023 - link

    I'm really curious to know why this is only happening on Asus mobos.
    Asus typically uses the best VRMs and has the more advanced Vcore controls compared to MSI, Gigabyte and Asrock.
  • meacupla - Monday, April 24, 2023 - link

    And my wishes look like they will come true, when Gamer's Nexus is getting both the fried CPU and fried Asus Mobo, when AMD and Asus wanted to do their own tests on it.
  • Oxford Guy - Monday, April 24, 2023 - link

    The top-tier ASUS FX-era board (Crosshair Formula Z) was known for under-reporting the amount of voltage it was putting into the CPU.
  • Silver5urfer - Monday, April 24, 2023 - link

    ASUS jacks up voltage when you are using AI OC or some other of their BIOS features. Which is probably why this Voltage control loophole causing the issue is my best guess. Which is why best option for most tweak centric users is to reduce the stock voltage by some points and test for stability, if they are lucky they could achieve more if the Silicon lottery is won.

    And in case one does not know, XMP = Higher VCCIO / VCCSA voltage. Which is why Intel voids warranty (on paper), constantly running on higher voltage is not good. AMD also does the same EXPO for warranty but I do not know about voltage characteristics of Zen 4 IMC behavior and voltage points, it should be similar.

    And in this case I think MSI is adding extra barriers on BIOS side to lockdown X3D voltage loopholes. AMD should have disabled every single bit and locked down registers for these processors as they run high voltage already vs Zen 4.
  • Oxford Guy - Monday, April 24, 2023 - link

    ‘ AMD should have disabled every single bit and locked down registers for these processors as they run high voltage already vs Zen 4’

    I recently read that the new 3D RAM parts have significantly lower stock voltage, mainly due to lower clocking.
  • Samus - Wednesday, April 26, 2023 - link

    I can confirm going back to at least the B360/Z370, Asus boards run aggressive voltages even without XMP or any OC on non-K CPU's to keep boost clocks high. It's actually counter-productive as it increases temperatures, which reduces boost duration. In my last PC, an Asus Strix ITX backbone, I spent days after building it trying to determine why load temps were regularly 90c with adequate cooling\airflow, determined a -0.125v offset to prevent running 1.4-1.5v under boost resolved the issue and overall performance was better not to mention 70-75c peak temps.
  • dwade123 - Monday, April 24, 2023 - link

    X3D chips are trash lol. This is beautiful karma after AMD paid a bunch of shills to push out the "RTX 4090 exploding" narrative, which in the end was proven to be user error and magically there are no more "people" reporting of such an issue anymore.
  • Silver5urfer - Monday, April 24, 2023 - link

    12VHPWR is having issues. Intel ATX3.0 Power standard revises it with deeper 4 Sense Pins. RTX4090 does blow up but 3090Ti does not because the latter does not use sense pins. Cablemod adapter with passive cooling ensures it stays fit AND has a good bend meawhile 8-pin can handle 300W. AMD's old R9 295X2 is reviewed here on Anandtech and it goes to 500W on 2x 8Pins. Yea you can search before you can go on a rage. Second is Nvidia hamfisted that garbage power connector with cheap junk connectors go to Igor's lab and learn.

    The problem is 2 fold on X3D, AMD did not properly lock down the chip at CPU level but who would be stupid to Overclock on the X3D with Voltage when these run at 1.4v the stock Zen 4 runs at 1.2v and AMD locked it for a reason. ASUS let their BIOS push overvoltage its the major issue here. MSI is adding extra steps.

    Next up a 7800X3D destroys Intel "gaming king" 13900KS and also stays super cool and consumes less than 1/2 power. Sure if you want MT, 13900K wins BUT a 7950X destroys that with 100-150W less power and easy to cool on Air despite having Temperature based scaling on Zen 4 upto 94C. Finally LGA1700 is EOL, RPL-R will save it a bit by adding boost and DLVR but Zen 5 ? Buy LGA1800, also the Socket is a failure because it bends the CPU and Mobo (again mentioned here on Anandtech as well).

    RTX is all about DLSS - using Temporal cancer AA with Sharpening pass. Imagine buying a $1000 GPU and running 1440P with an upscaled 720P image. Or 540P for 1080P DLSS or a 1080P for a 4K DLSS. Add Frame Generation interpolation which are not even real frames. One last is RTX4070 gets smoked to crisp bacon by 6950XT and that has more in everything from performance to VRAM. RT is not going to save the day as it needs DLOSS. Or it needs VRAM Or it needs full Metro Exodus type RT Enhanced Edition which is still not light years vs Gold Edition.
  • thestryker - Monday, April 24, 2023 - link

    Assumed it was voltage controls on the motherboard side because of der8auer nuking an X3D chip on a trip he took just by increasing the voltage and turning it on. There's definitely some more work to be done on AMD's side if they're releasing products this sensitive but without completely locked down firmware.

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